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after the meeting, spokesman for both boehner and the president issued identical statements. that's nice. simply saying the line of communication remain open. that is promising according to former white house chief of staff erskine bowles. >> they've started to tango now and anytime you've got two guys tangoing. you've got a chance to get it done. >> how are the warnings affecting you? the american consumer. in the last few weeks, we have seen record shopping and black friday sales. we've also seen jobs numbers that are up. and today, fedex is expecting its busiest day ever. shipping about 19 million pa packages. that is about 20 packages per second. and loads of jet fuel. christine romans joining me now with more. those sound like great indicators. you're the trend lady. do the trends look like they're going to continue despite this horror show of the fiscal cliff? >> there's a bunch of things going for consumers. you named some, but you've also got the stock market. job growth. rising home values. you've been seeing home values tick up slowly, but surely over the last few m
after the meeting, spokesman for both boehner and the president issued identical statements. that's nice. simply saying the line of communication remain open. that is promising according to former white house chief of staff erskine bowles. >> they've started to tango now and anytime you've got two guys tangoing. you've got a chance to get it done. >> how are the warnings affecting you? the american consumer. in the last few weeks, we have seen record shopping and black friday sales....
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>> you just played a bite from speaker boehner saying, look, show us a little leg here, democrats, on those -- on those spending cuts and this is what he's talking about. take a look at this. the white house says, they're willing to do $350 billion in health savings. and the republicans are almost double that, what that includes from the republican party is increasing, for example, the eligibility age from medicare. say instead of it being 65 it might go up to the age of 67 or changing the way we calculate then crease in social security benefits. these are things that the president has been willing to talk about in the past. the republicans want them to talk about it first, right now, before they sign on to any rate increase. so we're back in the situation of who gives first, which is why these talks are going to have to come down to the president and john boehner in a room with a closed door, okay, because that's the only way they're going to get to do it. >> we'll see who gives a little leg. gloria, thank you. >>> former president carter put solar panels on the white house when he w
>> you just played a bite from speaker boehner saying, look, show us a little leg here, democrats, on those -- on those spending cuts and this is what he's talking about. take a look at this. the white house says, they're willing to do $350 billion in health savings. and the republicans are almost double that, what that includes from the republican party is increasing, for example, the eligibility age from medicare. say instead of it being 65 it might go up to the age of 67 or changing...
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i'll read just one from boehner's press secretary. discussions with the white house are taking place but we have no detail to share about the substance of those conversations. the republican offer made last week remains the republican offer and we continue to wait for the president to identify the spending cuts he's willing to make as part of the balanced approach he promised the american people. so, of course, that coming from the republican side, the president obviously saying he's waiting for something, too, john. he's waiting for the republicans to identify the specific details of that $800 billion of revenue they're willing to offer. what are the specifics the president is saying? take a listen at something the president said yesterday at that event that you mentioned. >> when you put it all together, you need a package that keeps taxes where they are for middle class families, make tough spending cuts on things we don't need and ask the wealthiest americans to pay a slightly higher tax rate. >> john, this is essentially the impa
i'll read just one from boehner's press secretary. discussions with the white house are taking place but we have no detail to share about the substance of those conversations. the republican offer made last week remains the republican offer and we continue to wait for the president to identify the spending cuts he's willing to make as part of the balanced approach he promised the american people. so, of course, that coming from the republican side, the president obviously saying he's waiting...
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. >>> and president obama and house speaker boehner mum on fiscal cliff negotiations. and a sign that a deal could be near. >>> new world order, the economy growing at an enormous rate in china, and in a few years it will surpass the u.s. what it means, coming up. >>> dozens of homes damaged in the south, ripping off roofs and damaging trees. more to come. stamp watch, straight ahead. >>> lots to talk about this morning. the next two hours, we'll talk with steve israel. jeff sessions, sandy levin, rahm emanuel and businessman javier paolomarez, ed burns, frankie monday easy, and chuck leavell. "starting point" begins right now. welcome, everybody. "starting point" this morning, angry, united. bracing for protests in michigan as the state is poised to become the most unionized right to work state. as many as 10,000 unionized workers expected at the state capitol to voice their disapproval of the measure. some of them teachers, two detroit area school districts shut down for the day as hundreds of teachers plan to join the protest. president obama brought it up during a
. >>> and president obama and house speaker boehner mum on fiscal cliff negotiations. and a sign that a deal could be near. >>> new world order, the economy growing at an enormous rate in china, and in a few years it will surpass the u.s. what it means, coming up. >>> dozens of homes damaged in the south, ripping off roofs and damaging trees. more to come. stamp watch, straight ahead. >>> lots to talk about this morning. the next two hours, we'll talk with...
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. >> that's about right. >> 65 is where boehner checks in. we were talking about boehner in the last segment. what lawrence is saying is true. it's not boehner's fault he's a weak speaker, but he is an incredibly weak speaker. there's that thing in the times saying maybe they're coming around. i don't think they're coming around at all. the problem is the republican party is driven by this sort of conservative movement more now than ever before in the last couple of years. boehner is a little more old school in that. he came to congress in 1990. he was sort of a reformer and teamed up with democrats, he was more pragmatic and climbed into the leadership and fell out and climbed back in. he was next in line for the leadership when the tea party thing happen. the story of his speakership is the tea party conservatives are waiting for the minute he sells them out. he hasn't sold them out yet. >> it's like the tail wagging the dog. >> he doesn't exercise any p power. this is a test this month. he's waiting this out and looking to have enough cred
. >> that's about right. >> 65 is where boehner checks in. we were talking about boehner in the last segment. what lawrence is saying is true. it's not boehner's fault he's a weak speaker, but he is an incredibly weak speaker. there's that thing in the times saying maybe they're coming around. i don't think they're coming around at all. the problem is the republican party is driven by this sort of conservative movement more now than ever before in the last couple of years. boehner...
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a year ago, eric cantor was measuring the curtains in boehner's office, but i think now, boehner knows he's just got to get this done, suffer through, the republicans will take the hit if this doesn't happen and they don't need that kind of bad press. it will just make obama all the more powerful heading into his reinauguration. >> all right. both of you guys seem glass half-fullish on this. bottom line, ron first, deal or no deal? >> bottom line, i don't think the president wants to go over the cliff, because he'll be giving an inaugural address with the country in fiscal shambles. and the president still is the commander in chief, the leader of our country. and if he presides over this, a lot of mud is going to splash up on him too. i think we'll be able to get this deal done, but, again, the devil's in the details. >> tight on time, jason, deal or no deal? >> we're going to get a deal, right at the end of the year, everyone's happy, unemployment will keep coming, and we will not hit the fiscal cliff. >> all right, gentleman, thank you for your insight. we'll see if there'll be a dea
a year ago, eric cantor was measuring the curtains in boehner's office, but i think now, boehner knows he's just got to get this done, suffer through, the republicans will take the hit if this doesn't happen and they don't need that kind of bad press. it will just make obama all the more powerful heading into his reinauguration. >> all right. both of you guys seem glass half-fullish on this. bottom line, ron first, deal or no deal? >> bottom line, i don't think the president wants...
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something that boehner has been doing a lot of. let me explain how deficits between revenue and spending are mathematical and it's ridiculous and insulting to the intelligence to suggest that it is one or the other. the you want to balance the books, you spend less or bring in more. that's it. you can't make the argument that one or the other is the problem. every time he said it it's more and more ridiculous. i will complete his equation and tell you the truth where the politicians fall short. look at the bush era tax cuts that started in 2001 on the national debt. we projected it out to 2019, the big blob on the top. beige or butterscotch color. that's the bush era tax cuts and part of what is expected to be massive debt. that is the single biggist part of it, bigger than the cost of the wars or the economic downturn or t.a.r.p. or the cost of the bailouts of fannie mae and freddie mac and to all the measures to combat the crisis combined. i can't tell you whether we have a tax or a revenue problem, we have a math problem and it
something that boehner has been doing a lot of. let me explain how deficits between revenue and spending are mathematical and it's ridiculous and insulting to the intelligence to suggest that it is one or the other. the you want to balance the books, you spend less or bring in more. that's it. you can't make the argument that one or the other is the problem. every time he said it it's more and more ridiculous. i will complete his equation and tell you the truth where the politicians fall short....
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he met with john boehner yesterday. their first face to face meeting in more than three weeks. today, the president will visit a detroit engine factory. the president's meeting with john boehner did not yield a breakthrough, but the men did agree on one thing. they'll keep their negotiations behind closed doors. they released a statement saying this. this afternoon, the president and speaker boehner met at the white house to discuss efforts to resolve the fiscal cliff. we are not reading out the details of the conversation, but the lines of communication remain open. dan lothian is at the white house. how telling is it that the statements were identical from both the president and speaker boehner? >> it shows that both sides agree on something and that is that they're not going to continue to have this debate play out in front of the cameras, harsh rhetoric going back and forth. but instead, will do it in private and i think that's very telling. certainly, we don't know what happened in that meeting because neither side getting any details. perhaps they did have a breakthrough
he met with john boehner yesterday. their first face to face meeting in more than three weeks. today, the president will visit a detroit engine factory. the president's meeting with john boehner did not yield a breakthrough, but the men did agree on one thing. they'll keep their negotiations behind closed doors. they released a statement saying this. this afternoon, the president and speaker boehner met at the white house to discuss efforts to resolve the fiscal cliff. we are not reading out...
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deal, outlining what he calls "deliberate and frank talks with president obama" house speaker john boehner says both sides remain far apart. joining me is cnn analyst roland martin and cnn contributor will cain. to roland first. is this a real stalemate or is this all about posturing? >> it's a real stalemate. obviously republicans who clearly do not want to raise taxes on anybody, the president's made it perfectly clear that i won, i have a mandate and we are not going to continue doing this. also keep in mind the bush cuts contributed to our deficit so it's interesting to hear folks say we should continue them but they didn't say let's cut the deficit when they contribute it according to the cbo. i think the president certainly has more referage on his side and republicans know it and trying to hold out as best as they can. in the end he'll get his wish. >> who is going to blink first? will this is for you. seems like americans aren't interested in lawmakers digging in. look at the poll. this is what a new nbc/"wall street journal" poll shows the first time the majority of republican vot
deal, outlining what he calls "deliberate and frank talks with president obama" house speaker john boehner says both sides remain far apart. joining me is cnn analyst roland martin and cnn contributor will cain. to roland first. is this a real stalemate or is this all about posturing? >> it's a real stalemate. obviously republicans who clearly do not want to raise taxes on anybody, the president's made it perfectly clear that i won, i have a mandate and we are not going to...
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the call unlike the night when president obama called john boehner on election day and john boehner didn't answer his call. i think that you have to have both parties willing to engage with each other and talk to each other. looking back at the 1980s, for example, when ronald reagan was president and tip o'neill was speaker of the house, they didn't agree but they sit down and talk and negotiate and compromise and today's republican party so hijacked by the right wing they're incapable of agreement. >> let's put aside the right wing here. we know that speaker boehner purged some of those seen as not being team players within his own party and we'll discuss the fact he's taken a hit for that. beyond the right wing or whatever you have numbers. you have exit polling. you have pew research poll that shows where the american people stand. if all of the people are there to represent us, meaning the people who are watching right now and the panel included here, we are all americans, we pay taxes, then why isn't this work getting done? >> well, just look at speaker boehner's fiscal cliff p
the call unlike the night when president obama called john boehner on election day and john boehner didn't answer his call. i think that you have to have both parties willing to engage with each other and talk to each other. looking back at the 1980s, for example, when ronald reagan was president and tip o'neill was speaker of the house, they didn't agree but they sit down and talk and negotiate and compromise and today's republican party so hijacked by the right wing they're incapable of...
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house speaker john boehner expected to meet with reporters in an hour. the event comes with just 25 days until that fiscal cliff deadline. both sides of the aisle resumed talks thursday. first time that's happened all week. and comes and comes one day after president obama and speaker boehner talk bid telephone. >>> in japan a tsunami warning has been lifted. a 7.3 magnitude quake struck at sea 300 miles from tokyo. a small tsunami was triggered while a building shook in the capital city. happened almost in the same area along the northeastern coast devastated by a earthquake two years guy. >>> attorneys for george zimmerman are suing nbc universal for characterization of him in reporting on the trayvon martin shooting death. lawsuit claims nbc edited 911 recordings to make it appear that zimmerman was racist. nbc says it disputes the accusations and plans to defend itself in court. >>> on every flight, you have to power down your gadgets before takeoff and landing. but -- could that be changing? you might be surprised who is leading the charge. [ nyquil
house speaker john boehner expected to meet with reporters in an hour. the event comes with just 25 days until that fiscal cliff deadline. both sides of the aisle resumed talks thursday. first time that's happened all week. and comes and comes one day after president obama and speaker boehner talk bid telephone. >>> in japan a tsunami warning has been lifted. a 7.3 magnitude quake struck at sea 300 miles from tokyo. a small tsunami was triggered while a building shook in the capital...
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rejected boehner's deal. it's hard to see how boehner will get a different outcome this time around. eric cantor looking right over his shoulder. you could make the argument that cantor is the big player who is not in the room. because if boehner does a deal with the president and goes back and tries to get the republicans to vote for it in the house and cantor says no, where are we? the president, calm, cool and collected and remembering what this election is all about. get your cell phones out. tonight's question. will republicans punish e speaker boehner for trying to work with the president? text a for yes, b to no to 622639. we'll bring the results later on in the show. joining me tonight is congressman emanuel cleaver from missouri. great to have you with us. >> good to be with you. >> i'd like to talk about the congressional black caucus if i could. they have been very, very strong about do not touch the entitlements, we're not going to move on this. so you have the president not moving on rates. you h
rejected boehner's deal. it's hard to see how boehner will get a different outcome this time around. eric cantor looking right over his shoulder. you could make the argument that cantor is the big player who is not in the room. because if boehner does a deal with the president and goes back and tries to get the republicans to vote for it in the house and cantor says no, where are we? the president, calm, cool and collected and remembering what this election is all about. get your cell phones...
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but we've already hurt the economy and hurt -- >> are you with boehner? >> i'm not with boehner. this guy doesn't need more money. >> we doubled spending. >> well, we have already offered to extend current tax rates. that's what we should have done six months ago until we could come to some agreement, some compromise on tax reform. >> when you say compromise, where are you ready to compromise, as far as taxes are concerned. >> well, how we go about tax reform, there's a lot of room to work together. >> lower the rats. i'm not sure where the democrats are. th they have not offered the plan. >> they keep the bush tax rates. the top two percent let them go from 35% to 39.6%. >> it's incredible to me we're already talking about it. it runs the government for five or six days. >> but at the beginning, every billionaire winds up being real money. >> but the president has known about this so-called cliff for over a year. and it's yet to present a plan that reduces our deficit. i'm willing to work with anyone who's willing to put a plan on the table. but our party, or anyone, should not
but we've already hurt the economy and hurt -- >> are you with boehner? >> i'm not with boehner. this guy doesn't need more money. >> we doubled spending. >> well, we have already offered to extend current tax rates. that's what we should have done six months ago until we could come to some agreement, some compromise on tax reform. >> when you say compromise, where are you ready to compromise, as far as taxes are concerned. >> well, how we go about tax...
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how far does the president have to go to give boehner something that helps boehner go to his caucus and say let's just do our deal. >> you want someone to be singing "i'll be home for christmas." >> there you go. >> first, it's nice to see you in d.c. >> it's a great pleasure. >> we have this little bubble of optimism in the conventional media the past few days. although they're talking, they're not saying much, there must be progress, but we still have a fundamental divide here. the president says rates have to go up. he doesn't want to trade the debt ceiling for anything. he thinks that should be separate. and boehner put out a proposal saying we'll raise invest knews but we're going to lower rates. won't specify, as you noted earlier. there seems to be in the staff level at least not much progress, any progress, being made. i have to believe the fundamental dynamic is still the same, that boehner is going to have a hard time convincing more than half of his caucus, even half of his caucus, to support something that really gives the president a lot in terms of revenue cuts and doesn't
how far does the president have to go to give boehner something that helps boehner go to his caucus and say let's just do our deal. >> you want someone to be singing "i'll be home for christmas." >> there you go. >> first, it's nice to see you in d.c. >> it's a great pleasure. >> we have this little bubble of optimism in the conventional media the past few days. although they're talking, they're not saying much, there must be progress, but we still have a...
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boehner. no details are announced tonight. some see as good news. the co-creator of a debt reduces plan sees progress. >> any time you two guys in that tangoing, you have a change to get done. >> reporter: before the talk, some republicans were admitting the president will get a lot of what he wants. >> let's face it, he has the upper hand on taxes. you have to pass something to keep that from happening. >> reporter: why the compromising words? the white house moderated some demands. the president say s tax rates fr the wealthy have to rise but now word that the actual rate could be negotiable. maybe not all the way back to 39.6%. >> will i accept a tax increase as a deal to solve problems? yes. >> reporter: those problem, according to republican, entitlement. and today, a leading democrat embraced the way to cut medicare cuts. means testing. those who make more would have to pay more for medicare. >> those of us with higher income in retirement should pay more. that could be part of a solution. >> reporter: the speaker feeling the heat from his rig
boehner. no details are announced tonight. some see as good news. the co-creator of a debt reduces plan sees progress. >> any time you two guys in that tangoing, you have a change to get done. >> reporter: before the talk, some republicans were admitting the president will get a lot of what he wants. >> let's face it, he has the upper hand on taxes. you have to pass something to keep that from happening. >> reporter: why the compromising words? the white house moderated...
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john boehner has to let rates go up. i think that's right. whether or not it's to 37 or whether or not we raise the threshold from 250 to something like $500,000 at the point we call people rich, that's a possibility. i think the same thing exists on the entitlement side. there are things that president obama laid on the table in the summer of 2011 we keep talking about. democrats really do not like changes to the measure of inflation applied to social security benefits, and they really do not like raising the eligibility age for medicare. so there are other things that happen? can we scale back the generosity of the obama care subsidies? can we start means testing in additional ways in the medicare program? they have to get creative. >> they got it to get creative, zachary. this comes at the busiest time of the year for retailers and businesses. have you noticed any signs at this point that consumers are at all holding back this holiday season fearing we may go over the so-called fiscal cliff? >> there's a lot of news reports on consumers ho
john boehner has to let rates go up. i think that's right. whether or not it's to 37 or whether or not we raise the threshold from 250 to something like $500,000 at the point we call people rich, that's a possibility. i think the same thing exists on the entitlement side. there are things that president obama laid on the table in the summer of 2011 we keep talking about. democrats really do not like changes to the measure of inflation applied to social security benefits, and they really do not...
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i say to my friend john boehner you control matters on the floor, no one else does. you have the ability and you're the only one that has the ability to put this on the floor for a vote. he should do that. that would be the american way. >> house speaker john boehner and senate majority leader harry reid on the fiscal cliff standoff. "the new york times" reporting gop leaders are considering extending tax cuts for the fiscal class to avert the fiscal cliff but if that is the case republicans are staying very tight lipped about it. joining me is senator ben carden from maryland a member of the budget committee and the committee on finance. good to have you here and you have said one thing you want from these talks is to show the markets and to show leaders, that leaders have the situation under control there, in your estimation, how would you say that's going so far? >> well predictability is very important. i think the first step is exactly what leader reid said. if we can get predictability on the taxable income below $250,000, everyone knows that's under current ra
i say to my friend john boehner you control matters on the floor, no one else does. you have the ability and you're the only one that has the ability to put this on the floor for a vote. he should do that. that would be the american way. >> house speaker john boehner and senate majority leader harry reid on the fiscal cliff standoff. "the new york times" reporting gop leaders are considering extending tax cuts for the fiscal class to avert the fiscal cliff but if that is the...
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president obama and john boehner. even all sides of the party are excluded. >>> with 25 days before taxes go up for nearly every single american, what effect will the jobs report have on the fiscal standoff? we'll get live remarks from john boehner who is going to try to use the jobs report to the republican's advantage. representative, let's start with the november jobs report numbers. they look very good, good news overall for the koirnlt tree. but speaker boehner said this, the democrats plan to slow walk our economy to the edge of the fiscal cliff instead of engaging in serious talks to avert the cliff, that includes spending cuts and tax reforms the president once supported. the white house has only offered a joke. i understand we have speaker boehner to the microphones. let's take a listen. >> when it comes to the fiscal cliff that's threatening our economy and threatening jobs, the white house has wasted another week. eight days ago secretary geithner came here to offer a plan that had twice the tax hikes that
president obama and john boehner. even all sides of the party are excluded. >>> with 25 days before taxes go up for nearly every single american, what effect will the jobs report have on the fiscal standoff? we'll get live remarks from john boehner who is going to try to use the jobs report to the republican's advantage. representative, let's start with the november jobs report numbers. they look very good, good news overall for the koirnlt tree. but speaker boehner said this, the...
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boehner wants the rate to stay at 35% or even lower. but what about meeting in the middle? around 37%? listen carefully to the speaker when he was asked today whether that rate could be the answer to this impasse. >> there are a lot of things that are possible. to put the revenue the president seeks on the table. but none of it's going to be possible if the president insists on his position. insists on my way or the highway. >> you hear what he said? a lot of things are possible. that may not sound like much where you're from, but here in washington, it sounds suspiciously like code for we're making progress. more evidence boehner's democratic counterpart house minority leader nancy pelosi also seems to be softening her language as we head into the weekend. listen. >> what we want to do is protect the middle class. so it's not about the rate. it's about the money. >> so is 37 the magic number in this fiscal cliff debate? "outfront," two men who know taxes very well. douglas holtz-ekin, president of the american action forum and robert reich from the university of california
boehner wants the rate to stay at 35% or even lower. but what about meeting in the middle? around 37%? listen carefully to the speaker when he was asked today whether that rate could be the answer to this impasse. >> there are a lot of things that are possible. to put the revenue the president seeks on the table. but none of it's going to be possible if the president insists on his position. insists on my way or the highway. >> you hear what he said? a lot of things are possible....
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only 25% they say, you know, say the same for boehner. we do have one more poll, this is really the big kahuna, shows 65% believe the voters gave the president a mandate to raise tax rates on the wealthy. so dana bash, given all of that, do we have any idea what the republican calculus is here and apparently hardening now their position on the taxes? >> reporter: i'm not really sure if in reality their position is hardening on raising -- or keeping tax cuts in place for the wealthiest americans. it may have been on paper in the proposal, certainly departments are using that today. that is the story line of the day. democrats are using it politically against republicans. but i talked to so many republicans, trent franks is one of them, who kind of shrugged their shoulders and say they understand that they don't have leverage as you just illustrated in that poll that the democrats have leverage, for a number of reasons, whether it is the amount of -- that the president won by, politically, or just the substance of this argument, the democra
only 25% they say, you know, say the same for boehner. we do have one more poll, this is really the big kahuna, shows 65% believe the voters gave the president a mandate to raise tax rates on the wealthy. so dana bash, given all of that, do we have any idea what the republican calculus is here and apparently hardening now their position on the taxes? >> reporter: i'm not really sure if in reality their position is hardening on raising -- or keeping tax cuts in place for the wealthiest...
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he says then -- seems to be where boehner is now. raise tax revenue capping deductions, limiting loopholes, not raising tax rates. >> if you listen to the president's entire statement he said as part of a larger tax reform proposal. the fact is you can't get the revenues that are necessary simply by eliminating deductions, unless you want to whack the middle class, and that's not something we can afford to do now. let's also make the point, wolf, that everyone in america will benefit if we extend the tax cuts for, incomes under $250,000. you get the tax cut the first $250,000. but if we're going to deal with the debt problem, we have to do it in a balanced way. raising rates is part of what we need to do. >> one of the things republicans would tell you, when we created the bush tax cuts for everyone, including the wealthy, government revenues went up from 1.8 trillion to 2.5 trillion. >> 2001 and 2003? >> over a four-year period after bush tax cuts were put in place. why not stay with that, keep the economy growing. that's $700 billi
he says then -- seems to be where boehner is now. raise tax revenue capping deductions, limiting loopholes, not raising tax rates. >> if you listen to the president's entire statement he said as part of a larger tax reform proposal. the fact is you can't get the revenues that are necessary simply by eliminating deductions, unless you want to whack the middle class, and that's not something we can afford to do now. let's also make the point, wolf, that everyone in america will benefit if...
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that's why most lawmakers are not boxing boehner in. would you go for that? >> i think we have to look at the whole package and as i've said, let's leave everything out here. >> reporter: now, boehner said publicly he is still optimistic about getting a deal done but privately in that meeting with house republicans today, several lawmakers came out and told us that the speaker told them not to make any plans for christmas. wolf? >> does that mean all 435 members of the house, 100 senators are going to be told to stay here during that christmas week leading up to new year's? >> reporter: it is entirely possible. what leaders have done in the past, even as recently as last week, is sent home rank and file members while the leaders stayed and negotiated. but as we get closer to the holidays, it's entirely possible, even maybe probable that they will keep everybody here in case they actually do get a bill and they will be able to pass it fast. we know that when things move, they actually move very quickly and en there's a will to get out of here, particularly as
that's why most lawmakers are not boxing boehner in. would you go for that? >> i think we have to look at the whole package and as i've said, let's leave everything out here. >> reporter: now, boehner said publicly he is still optimistic about getting a deal done but privately in that meeting with house republicans today, several lawmakers came out and told us that the speaker told them not to make any plans for christmas. wolf? >> does that mean all 435 members of the house,...
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so continue to watch any of those talks with boehner and obama, and if they make any kind of progress. then we can see the s&p start to build momentum on that and travel upward. > people who were investing overseas are very happy about what is happening in europe. german stocks are soaring. is it too late to get in? > > we saw the dax push up to a 52-week high last week. really the key here is safety. they are using that stock market as their safety gauge if they are trading over in europe. so, if the safety play continues to warrant being ultra- conservative, yeah, you are going to see that market continue to move upward. if traders want to take on a little bit more risk and spread to some of the other european sovereign-debt nations like spain or greece, then you are probably going to see that safety play back off a little bit. > there are always places to park money. good to have you on the show this morning. have a great trading day. > > you too. if you're not yet fully awake this monday, here's one thing to open your eyes: after years of higher and higher coffee prices to consume
so continue to watch any of those talks with boehner and obama, and if they make any kind of progress. then we can see the s&p start to build momentum on that and travel upward. > people who were investing overseas are very happy about what is happening in europe. german stocks are soaring. is it too late to get in? > > we saw the dax push up to a 52-week high last week. really the key here is safety. they are using that stock market as their safety gauge if they are trading over...
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house speaker boehner coming out earlier today and saying no progress has been made in the negotiations. our chief washington correspondent john harwood is here with the latest. >> reporter: we ended the week with a fairly perfect, simple, clear, elegant expression of the partisan differences in this fight. speaker boehner came out and gave a press conference where he essentially said president obama has done nothing to compromise with republicans. here's the speaker. >> four days ago we offered a serious proposal based on testimony of president clinton's former chief of staff. since then there's been no counteroffer from the white house. instead, reports indicate that the president has adopted a deliberate strategy to slow-walk our economy right to the edge of the fiscal cliff. >> reporter: not surprisingly, democratic house leader nancy pelosi had precisely the opposite explanation for what is behind this stalemate. she says republicans simply echoing the white house are going to have to buckle on the issue of the top rates. >> the only obstacle standing in the way of middle income ta
house speaker boehner coming out earlier today and saying no progress has been made in the negotiations. our chief washington correspondent john harwood is here with the latest. >> reporter: we ended the week with a fairly perfect, simple, clear, elegant expression of the partisan differences in this fight. speaker boehner came out and gave a press conference where he essentially said president obama has done nothing to compromise with republicans. here's the speaker. >> four days...
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>> i'm not with boehner. this government doesn't need anymore money. this country needs less government. we're going to have historic levels of revenue to the government this year. >> everyone's taxes are going up at the end of the year if there's no deal. >> we have already offered to extend current tax rates. that's what we should have done six months ago until we could come to some agreement, some compromise on tax reform. >> when you say compromise, where are you ready to compromise as far as taxes are concerned? >> how we go about tax reform, there's a lot of room to work together to lower the rates. >> give me an example? >> i'm not sure where the democrats are because they have not offered a plan. >> their plan is to keep the bush tax rates from 2001, 2003 forever. make them permanent. top 2% let them go from 35% to 39.6%. >> it's incredible we're even talking about it because it doesn't solve the problem. >> it's a beginning. >> it runs the government for five or six days. >> but it's a beginning. a billion here, a billion there winds up being
>> i'm not with boehner. this government doesn't need anymore money. this country needs less government. we're going to have historic levels of revenue to the government this year. >> everyone's taxes are going up at the end of the year if there's no deal. >> we have already offered to extend current tax rates. that's what we should have done six months ago until we could come to some agreement, some compromise on tax reform. >> when you say compromise, where are you...
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i don't know why john boehner is negotiating this in public. he had a private meeting with the president last week, they spoke by phone sunday night. today he gets out and says he's slow walk it, why is he doing it in public rather than dealing directly with the president and bad-mouthing the white house and saying the president is not really negotiating in good faith basically is what john boehner is saying. bill: maybe that is the case. >> why say that publicly when you're trying to come to a deal with somebody on the other side. bill: that's a fair point. what about that if true. >> let's look at president's record quickly. he's had four years of trillion dollar deficits. he hasn't even had a budget in place. >> not true. >> this president has not done anything to get our fiscal house in order. >> that is not true. that is just not true. >> it is true. >> he's offered to cut -- >> let's be clear by his cuts. his cuts are for five and ten years from now. we can't even make cuts that he said would happen in a year. on sequester he said it wasn
i don't know why john boehner is negotiating this in public. he had a private meeting with the president last week, they spoke by phone sunday night. today he gets out and says he's slow walk it, why is he doing it in public rather than dealing directly with the president and bad-mouthing the white house and saying the president is not really negotiating in good faith basically is what john boehner is saying. bill: maybe that is the case. >> why say that publicly when you're trying to...
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even so, the president extended the invitation to boehner friday after boehner, for the first time in a press conference, publicly at least hinted he might be open to raising the top income tax rates on the top 2% of american household income earners. that may have cleared an opening for the president and boehner if that did, in fact, happen, we'll know in the very near future. for "cbs this morning," major garrett, the white house. >> major garrett, thanks. early this morning we heard general electric chairman and ceo jeff immelt call on speaker boehner to, quote, take the heat and get republicans to support a compromise on the fiscal cliff. immelt knows about something about taking the heat. in our interview friday, he spoke at length about the consequences of not making a deal. and for those who say we can go over the fiscal cliff and it might not be such a bad thing, you say? >> i say there are people that don't have anybody that works for them. you know, in other words, we haven't been on this for two weeks or two days or two months. we've been working on this for 2 1/2 years. wh
even so, the president extended the invitation to boehner friday after boehner, for the first time in a press conference, publicly at least hinted he might be open to raising the top income tax rates on the top 2% of american household income earners. that may have cleared an opening for the president and boehner if that did, in fact, happen, we'll know in the very near future. for "cbs this morning," major garrett, the white house. >> major garrett, thanks. early this morning...
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. >> so that was speaker boehner obviously flanked by republicans. we'll get you that sound bite from the president because i want to make sure you hear both sides. here is the question i'm hearing people ask. if we go off the cliff here, how big of a hit will we take on taxs? stand by because i'm good to give you the closest answer i possibly can. to help me with that is laurie montgomery, the fiscal policy reporter for the washington post. so, laurie, welcome to you here. and your paper this morning, you ran through a couple of tax scenarios which were pretty palletable so we want to show our view whaeers what you ran through. let me run through two. we'll look at this first one. so everybody take a look at this graphic. this is scenario number one, married couple, two kids, one in college, combined income of $137,000. you see the numbers here first under the democrats' plan, passed by the senate, not by the house, they would see their taxes rise 2500 bucks a year. just below that, the republican plan, passed by the house in august, would raise the
. >> so that was speaker boehner obviously flanked by republicans. we'll get you that sound bite from the president because i want to make sure you hear both sides. here is the question i'm hearing people ask. if we go off the cliff here, how big of a hit will we take on taxs? stand by because i'm good to give you the closest answer i possibly can. to help me with that is laurie montgomery, the fiscal policy reporter for the washington post. so, laurie, welcome to you here. and your paper...
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you have been critical of house speaker john boehner and what is on the table. what he put to the table, $800 billion of tax deduction and closing loopholes already. what do you say to people who say listen, the president won re-election. the republicans have to do something to get a deal? >> we don't have a revenue problem. government doesn't need to take more money out of the economy to give stoit incompetent politicians and bureaucrats. that won't make the middle class or anybody better off. look at obama's policies played out at the state level, greece, all over the world. there is no place they are working or have ever worked. but you can point to states where governor like scott walker or john kasich or rick scott are employing the conservative principles and they are attracting businesses and creating jobs. o'reilly did a great segment comparing texas and california. that is what i want to do with heritage, showcase successes we are having. to republicans concede we need more revenue in the context of not reforming entitlement or the tax code and the pres
you have been critical of house speaker john boehner and what is on the table. what he put to the table, $800 billion of tax deduction and closing loopholes already. what do you say to people who say listen, the president won re-election. the republicans have to do something to get a deal? >> we don't have a revenue problem. government doesn't need to take more money out of the economy to give stoit incompetent politicians and bureaucrats. that won't make the middle class or anybody...
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speaker boehner countered with another offer. and lawmakers were expressing pessimism that a deal was close leading kevin mccarthy to say, i think it is getting worse and not better. stock futures are higher as investors wait for news on whether the federal reserve will announce a new stimulus plan today. regulators have launched three rounds of quantitative easing since the crisis hit. ben bernanke will be held in news conference and you could hear live right here on c-span radio. those are some of the latest headlines on c-span radio. [video clip] >> the white house was very controversial. l'enfant designed washington city. there was a competition and he submitted the design for a palace. americans were not having a palace. it was not particularly awe- inspiring. in fact, in 1821, a european diplomat told the congress that it was neither large nor awe- inspiring. but the answer the congressman gave said the building served its purpose. if it were larger and more elegant, perhaps some president would be inclined to become its pe
speaker boehner countered with another offer. and lawmakers were expressing pessimism that a deal was close leading kevin mccarthy to say, i think it is getting worse and not better. stock futures are higher as investors wait for news on whether the federal reserve will announce a new stimulus plan today. regulators have launched three rounds of quantitative easing since the crisis hit. ben bernanke will be held in news conference and you could hear live right here on c-span radio. those are...
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. >> reporter: saturday light live sub jested that republican ras bullying boehner in the cafeteria. >> he didn't have any milk to drink because -- well, tell them why, john. >> they had taken my milk and thrown it in the garbage doctor they make any progress at the white house? both sides very tight lipped. in fact, they released the same statement world for word, very quiet. david? >> thank you. >>> wall street also watching as both sides inch to the fiscal cliff. not only are your taxes in the balance so are the 401ks. and today, ood holiday bonus, gas prices. we bring in bianna golodryga. you look at gas prices. write on pace to set a record. >> the average american household is expected to spend $4,000 a year on gasoline alone. and gas at 3.93 a gallon and today, take a look at this, $3.35 and by miscase time, estimates we will see 3.20. a lot has to do with post sandy. the supply is back up and the hope is that consumers will take the money and spend it shopping. >> that is the hope. and jobs number, better than expected. unemployment now to 7.7%. and bianna, people watching to
. >> reporter: saturday light live sub jested that republican ras bullying boehner in the cafeteria. >> he didn't have any milk to drink because -- well, tell them why, john. >> they had taken my milk and thrown it in the garbage doctor they make any progress at the white house? both sides very tight lipped. in fact, they released the same statement world for word, very quiet. david? >> thank you. >>> wall street also watching as both sides inch to the fiscal...
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we all know john boehner. john boehner's a deal maker. i didn't -- i liked him personally, but i never trusted him in congress because, you know, he liked making deals. that's what we need right now. the president can only push him so far. or he loses his caucus. and this is not about john boehner kicking and screaming. this is about him knowing what he can deliver. >> i understand that. john boehner has, and eric cantor and a paul ryan problem, he's got to keep them on board as his key guys. he can only go so far. i would guess that they're the ones holding the pen when he wrote, "i will not raise rates" in that letter he sent to president obama. but the problem is, we can agree or disagree with the president's position. i honestly take the president at his word. i do not believe there will be a deal here without some increase in tax rates for the top 2%. it doesn't have to be all of it, but some of it. i think the president has changed his tune a bit from the way he's handled some of these other negotiations. and take everything you say
we all know john boehner. john boehner's a deal maker. i didn't -- i liked him personally, but i never trusted him in congress because, you know, he liked making deals. that's what we need right now. the president can only push him so far. or he loses his caucus. and this is not about john boehner kicking and screaming. this is about him knowing what he can deliver. >> i understand that. john boehner has, and eric cantor and a paul ryan problem, he's got to keep them on board as his key...
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>> want to know about john boehner? >> sure. >> do we have the boehner sound bite? roll it. >> the president and i had a deliberate call yesterday and we spoke honestly and openly about the differences that we face. but the president's calling for $1.4 trillion worth of revenue. that cannot pass the house or the senate. >> we can bring a bill to the floor that the republicans don't have to vote for except for 25. hi to do it as speaker. do you know what it was like for me to bring a bill to the floor to fund the war in iraq? it's tough. but you have to do it. is the point you don't want to put your members on the spot, figure it out. we did. figure it out. >> figure it out, richard, when both sides are dealing with each other in good faith and i think it's important to note that the president was at one point $6 trillion. he's at $1.4 trillion. that ain't nothing. i think that requires john boehner, if we're playing in good faith to publicly go from 800 to 1. send a message and have the battles that we were talking about, michael was talking about, how are you going
>> want to know about john boehner? >> sure. >> do we have the boehner sound bite? roll it. >> the president and i had a deliberate call yesterday and we spoke honestly and openly about the differences that we face. but the president's calling for $1.4 trillion worth of revenue. that cannot pass the house or the senate. >> we can bring a bill to the floor that the republicans don't have to vote for except for 25. hi to do it as speaker. do you know what it was like...
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and it is what house speaker john boehner did not say that is drawing attention tonight. when questioned by reporters yesterday, boehner would not comment on whether there is room for compromise on the president's demand for higher tax rates, on high income americans. boehner and the president spoke by phone this week, but in public comments, appear to have no -- made no progress. >>> same sex couples are finally getting their day in court. this time, the u.s. supreme court. justices have decided to hear two constitutional challenges to federal and state laws. one case involves the federal defense of marriage act, which denies federal benefits to same sex couples legally married in their own state. the other is a challenge to california's prop 8, which took away the right of same sex marriage that had been previously approved by state courts. >>> florida governor charlie crist completed his political transformation. crist was elected governor as a republican in 2006, then later ran for the senate as an independent. he campaigned for president obama, and spoke at the democ
and it is what house speaker john boehner did not say that is drawing attention tonight. when questioned by reporters yesterday, boehner would not comment on whether there is room for compromise on the president's demand for higher tax rates, on high income americans. boehner and the president spoke by phone this week, but in public comments, appear to have no -- made no progress. >>> same sex couples are finally getting their day in court. this time, the u.s. supreme court. justices...
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recently called for john boehner's overthrow by other conservatives in the house. more unink hadded jim demint without having to worry about being a senator is incredibly paralyzing for the republican party. jon: he says he fields he can wield more influence as head of the heritage foundation as he can as a united states senator. here's what he told our bret baier. >> i think i'm in a more powerful position than a single united states senator. i wouldn't feel good about leaving if we didn't have so many new bright young conservatives now in the senate but it's time that conservatives take control of our message and let americans know what we can do to make their lives better. republicans hadn't done that good of a job as a party doing that. jon: he spoke about conservatives, monica, not necessarily republicans. he seemed to be aiming his ire at both parties but republican as well. >> as well he should because the republican establishment for many decades, but now even more recently on the fiscal cliff, they seem to be willing to go down that road of big government,
recently called for john boehner's overthrow by other conservatives in the house. more unink hadded jim demint without having to worry about being a senator is incredibly paralyzing for the republican party. jon: he says he fields he can wield more influence as head of the heritage foundation as he can as a united states senator. here's what he told our bret baier. >> i think i'm in a more powerful position than a single united states senator. i wouldn't feel good about leaving if we...
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jenna: so that's senator durbin responding to also what congressman boehner, speaker boehner said last hour. we brought that to you live as well. there's a lot of back and forth about what's happening in congress right now, where are we with the fiscal cliff negotiations based on these two pressers, it's fair to say probably not close to a negotiation. watch it, by the way, streaming at foxnews.com live, so you can check out for that. now we have a rare opportunity for you. just coming in to us on the newsroom, we have a phoner from aleppo, syria. a friend of the show, we've talked to him before when he came back stateside is in aleppo right now, and he's going to tell us a little bit about what's happening on the ground. barak, can you describe what's happening in that city? >> basically, the rebels hold part of the city, and the regime holds the other part of the city, and the regime shells -- [inaudible] you hear jets in the sky. and it's very, very difficult right now for the civilians to lead a regular life. one man told me today he -- [inaudible] 20 days. people respect having, a
jenna: so that's senator durbin responding to also what congressman boehner, speaker boehner said last hour. we brought that to you live as well. there's a lot of back and forth about what's happening in congress right now, where are we with the fiscal cliff negotiations based on these two pressers, it's fair to say probably not close to a negotiation. watch it, by the way, streaming at foxnews.com live, so you can check out for that. now we have a rare opportunity for you. just coming in to us...
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any word on what speaker boehner might say later this morning? >> reporter: well as you said he's meeting with his house republican conference, all the rank and file republicans, as we speak in the room literally right next door to where i am right now. we're going to see our reporting we're going to see what the mood of the republican caucus is, where they stand, because as you know, a big part of the dynamic here that we've been talking about for weeks is the fact that boehner really is a bit ham strung because many in his caucus, most in his caucus really do not want him to give on that big divide over raising tax rates for the wealthiest americans, so we're going to see if there's any give on that in his caucus and of course, what he's going to do here is probably a lot of public posturing, which we heard yesterday and the day before that and the day before that, but got to read between the lines on the public posturing so we'll tell you what happens. >> public postures in washington? never. >> reporter: i know, who knew? >> dana, thank you.
any word on what speaker boehner might say later this morning? >> reporter: well as you said he's meeting with his house republican conference, all the rank and file republicans, as we speak in the room literally right next door to where i am right now. we're going to see our reporting we're going to see what the mood of the republican caucus is, where they stand, because as you know, a big part of the dynamic here that we've been talking about for weeks is the fact that boehner really is...
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so john boehner trying to simplify things. he's asking top democrats and republica republicans to step aside so he can negotiate with the president one-on-one. it seems to be a request that everyone was able to live with. brianna keilar is live for us at the white house. if this is the case that everybody has been cleared out of the room, does that surprise you? it seems to make sense to me. >> reporter: it's not surprising at all. this is what observers of this process thought would happen all along. ultimately this was a process that would come down to president obama and house speaker john boehner brokering a deal. very much the way you saw they attempted to do during the debt ceiling debacle last year. it simplifies the problem of less cooks in the kitchen. then they will have to sell it. president obama would have to bring in democrats. john boehner would have to bring in his republicans and make sure everyone is on board. this comes on the heels of what has really been radio silence between the white house and house repu
so john boehner trying to simplify things. he's asking top democrats and republica republicans to step aside so he can negotiate with the president one-on-one. it seems to be a request that everyone was able to live with. brianna keilar is live for us at the white house. if this is the case that everybody has been cleared out of the room, does that surprise you? it seems to make sense to me. >> reporter: it's not surprising at all. this is what observers of this process thought would...
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that's just minutes after speaker boehner met with rank and file gop lawmakers and former speaker pelosi met with house democrats. they are all in each other's corners speaking amongst each other but all eyes are on the fiscal cliff. let's scoot over to the president. easy merging from that meeting with the washington business leaders. let's see what he has to say. >> jim, thanks for your leadership. you know, originally my team had prepared some remarks, they always get nervous when i'm out there on my own, never know what i might say. but given the dialogue that we had the last time, i thought it was useful for me to abbreviate my remarks, speak off the cuff at the top and then most of the time just having a conversation. let me begin by saying all of you in this room are not just business leaders, not just ceos of your companies but you're also economic leaders and thought leaders in this country and i recognize that all of you have an enormous investment not only in your own companies but in the well-being of america. there are a lot of patriots in this room and people who care deepl
that's just minutes after speaker boehner met with rank and file gop lawmakers and former speaker pelosi met with house democrats. they are all in each other's corners speaking amongst each other but all eyes are on the fiscal cliff. let's scoot over to the president. easy merging from that meeting with the washington business leaders. let's see what he has to say. >> jim, thanks for your leadership. you know, originally my team had prepared some remarks, they always get nervous when i'm...
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>>> john boehner is telling lawmakers not to make christmas plans. the warning comes after president obama talked about boehner on the phone last night. sources say it was a tense conversation. experts warn of a new recession if a deal can't be reached in 20 days. >>> new jersey governor chris christie says it's ridiculous to say that he couldn't be president because of his weight. the republican governor is rumored to be considering a bid for the white house in 2016. >>> and pope benedict xvi blessed his followers in his first tweet today. he now has one million followers on this twitter page alone and many more account in several other languages. some saying that he's the coolest pope in history. >> isha, thank you. >>> a former u.s. marine served iraq and afghanistan and now his parents fear that he may die in a mexican prison. they are pleading for his safe return after what was a surfing trip. johnny hammar's story just ahead. it gives us 5x the rewards on our internet, phone charges and cable, plus at office supply stores. rewards we put right
>>> john boehner is telling lawmakers not to make christmas plans. the warning comes after president obama talked about boehner on the phone last night. sources say it was a tense conversation. experts warn of a new recession if a deal can't be reached in 20 days. >>> new jersey governor chris christie says it's ridiculous to say that he couldn't be president because of his weight. the republican governor is rumored to be considering a bid for the white house in 2016....
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they are speaking as one with john boehner. so that's, i think, the big difference is that boehner, cantor, mccarthy, throw paul ryan in there, this is a quartet that is moving as one, negotiating as one. there's no, none of this looking over the shoulder. on the leadership side, it's a much different story. yes, it really depends on how you want to try to view it. can you find more rank-and-file conservative republicans who are sort of not in the circle? yes. to complain. but there's no -- there's no alternative. >> bob, you, yesterday, shadowed grover norquist for quite some time. you went to the meeting, his wednesday meeting. >> that's right. >> he has all the time with some of the most powerful conservatives in d.c. and across the country attending. what was their attitude about any deal that boehner might have to make? >> it's pretty interesting when you talk to house republicans because they look at boehner from two different perspectives. on one side, boehner went in front of the house conference and he said, i'm not go
they are speaking as one with john boehner. so that's, i think, the big difference is that boehner, cantor, mccarthy, throw paul ryan in there, this is a quartet that is moving as one, negotiating as one. there's no, none of this looking over the shoulder. on the leadership side, it's a much different story. yes, it really depends on how you want to try to view it. can you find more rank-and-file conservative republicans who are sort of not in the circle? yes. to complain. but there's no --...